I played in the Wednesday night tournament at the Horseshoe Casino tonight. There were 48 players who paid $60 to receive 10,000 in chips. Five got paid and I finished seventh, boo. I felt like I played fairly well; you can't win every time.
During the first level (blinds 50/100), I saw this hand: Three players saw a rainbow flop of A-2-3. I don't remember the betting, but two players saw the turn which was a jack. Now, a player tossed out a 5000 chip, then said "Oops, I meant to bet 500." Of course his bet had to stand. The other player moved all in and the Oops guy called and turned over 4-5 for the straight. The other guy showed A-3 for two pair.
Do you think the first guy pretending to misbet and saying oops was angle shooting? Everything is fair in love, war and poker, but I'm not sure I like it -- he had the nuts and put on an act. What do you think?
Justice was served on the river when another 3 came giving the victim a full house!
Well, I can be a bit snarky at times. So, when the the boat arrived, I might have said "Oops!" Yeah, I'd say he was an angle shooter -- just not par excellant this time.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that the deception of faking a betting mistake lacks class and ethics.
ReplyDeleteIt's not against the rules to "lie" at the poker table, so technically speaking this was legit. That said, it sure feels like angle shooting to me. I'd make a mental note about this player for future reference.
ReplyDeleteI like Ken's reply and I would've probably said "Oops!" too! He got what he deserved. I would def remember his face for future reference.
ReplyDeleteThe player def was angle shooting and got what he deserved.
ReplyDeleteAnd oh yeah -- "I felt like I played fairly well; you can't win every time."
I thought you did win every time?
DeleteI thought you did win every time?
That seems a bit snarky to me. ;)-
Nobody likes seeing this shit as its pretty dirty, but we,ve all done a bit of hollywood and ultimately I guess Poker is a game of deception!
ReplyDeleteThanks for your nice comment Mr. MOJO of Memphis. So nice to hear from you again. As you know, I know nothing of poker, but it seems to me that it's one thing to intimate something in a subtle way but entirely another to act and talk as if something is for certain when the opposite is true.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he's a politician in our House of Representatives?
Hi Dave! I wasn't rubbing it in, but merely reminding you that this could be yours! Just get on your horse and mosey on down! :))
ReplyDeleteI like the move -- and it may well not have been an act. Sure, he had the nuts. But he may well have meant to bet only $500 -- to attract callers.
ReplyDeleteBut even if it's an act, I don't think it crosses the thin grey line into angle shooting. He didn't bet out of turn. He didn't do anything that even hints at cheating. He just attempted, or pretended to attempt to downsize his bet after making it (perhaps knowing that he couldn't do so). I think this falls into the category of acting. To me, it's the same as if his verbal proclamations occured before he tossed in the chips, as in "I probably shouldn't bet at all, but what the Hell, I'll go all in". He's misrepresenting himself and his hand -- and in the UK such "coffeehousing" would be barred. But in the good ol' US of A, it's allowed. Just my two cents.
@House: Good points.
ReplyDeleteLate to the party, but if you ask me, there is nothing wrong with deception. Saying, "Whoops, I meant to be 500," is not that much different than acting strong when you are weak and weak when you are strong. It may suck for the person who is tricked, but once the player said, "Whoops..." it is incumbent on the other player to assess whether he believes the Whoops player or not.
ReplyDeleteIt's like betting big and then saying, "Just fold, buddy. You don't have me beat." when running a bluff. No one would think that is wrong, would they?